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Needed three more votes. but there he is, giving this speech in ohio in front of a huge crowd. jim jordan he brought up on stage. jim jordan said, i'm only here to say one sentence, i want trump in 2024. that's where the mind-set of the party is right now, whether folks like it or not. >> margaret, i'll spare you from having to say anything about donald trump on stage, because i have that much respect for you. i'm just going to let that go and we'll move on to more fun things in our next segment. so margaret, tim, eugene, don't go anywhere. we've got much more to talk about, including marketin...

Really a broad and diverse subset of the leather and kink community, that i may not interact with everyone in the leather and kink community, that maybe is not in my interest, but we acknowledge each other and support each other and we understand our plight for more visibility, for acceptability. so people may think like, oh, this is all about sex, but really, it's not. this is my identity, this is who i am, this is who i identify as when i get up in the morning. >> i'm going to lay some cards on the table and not pretend to not have any idea what the leatherman's discussion group is. i used t...

Education across the board and like to, like, inform people who may not be into kink, but at least can have a broader perspective of like what it is that we're about. >> where do you think this divide comes to today. there was a piece in rolling stone that referred to puriteens. i'm not sure this is generational. i think this has been here since the community coalesced in the last few decade, but where do you see this debate coming from? >> i think that the right has a way oaf infiltrating our subconscious to where there's a little self-loathing. but i have to say, whether miami wearing high h...

It is a long-standing debate within the lgbtq community. who should attend pride festivities and how they should present themselves. it's part of an ongoing struggle over sexual identity and mainstream acceptance. some argue that attendees should leave their leather and kink and fetish gear at home. kinksters were among the very first activists in the early days of this movement and among the first aids activists, as well. those who prefer a more mainstream look say it's a matter of consent, telegraphing your sexuality in public could violate the sensements of those who might not wish to see i...

If you're sboorkts sooner -- into it, sooner or later you're going to explore and it's important that you know what you're doing, so you don't get hurt and you don't hurt somebody else. >> absolutely. and the leatherman's discussion group is an organization in our 25th anniversary, who seeks to educate and to mentor anybody, whether you're young or old, new or part of the scene for many years. so our vision was just really to educate on a broad spectrum of topics, whether it's depression and suicide, whether it's substance abuse, whether it's actually kink play and consent. so, we -- we have b...