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First lady returned to the u.s. from paris, france. here they are coming off air force one. they were there to mark the 100th anniversary of the end of world war i, and what should have been a cordial meeting with allies turned contentious. remember a couple of weeks ago when president trump declared he was a nationalist? well, it seems his host, french president emmanuel macron heard about that and had a very public message for trump. listen. >> translator: patriotism is the exact opposite of nationalism. nationalism is a betrayal of patriotism by saying our interests first, who cares about t...

Establishment. >> you know, gloria, we now have this situation it seems like where pretty much all cabinet secretaries who have meetings overseas with other world leaders or are in negotiations, i'm just wondering why anybody would believe that they speak for the president when it seems like the president is very willing to publicly undermine basically everybody around him. i mean i would think that -- >> everybody. >> i would think it essential in some of those meetings that somebody meeting with secretary mattis overseas over in pakistan is essential saying what u.s. policy is. >> right. and...

>> everybody. >> it makes it essential that somebody meetings with mattis would know that what mattis is saying is actually what u.s. policy is? >> how do you think is going to happen. he's backed up and that's his real problem rate now. when tillerson was there, mattis and tillerson was kind of together and felt like they could speak for the president at one point. and i think now he's clashing with the president's top advisors and he can't speak for the president. and now the president has publishically, publicly said this. so the question for mattis that i'm sure they're asking abroad just ...

>> for me as someone that's been covering this story and this case is the work that went into this and the penetration that the fbi and our intelligence partners were able to -- they successfully penetrated this entire operation. they knew everything they were doing, and it's so detailed and so specific in this indictment. and it takes a lot for the fbi and the department of justice to reveal these kinds of details because it essential gives away what they know. >> it sounds like intercepts, cyber communications, they were in there. >> they were in there. they knew where they were located in t...

I'm sure aware of that on some level but nonetheless felt unconstrained in doing that. it's that atmosphere, kind of casual disregard for the facts and an expectation that there's no consequence for that. >> how important is body language in a conversation? how important is it for the president to be there in front of a special counsel for an interview of this time? >> i always found it essential. i think that's why robert mueller will likely resist responding to written questions. not only the absence of the ability to follow up but to assess credibility. it's so important to look at someone,...