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>> he's getting a lot out of these tweets, for better or worse. >> it's something that needs discussing. tara, on the same note, though, i can't explain the tweets but is it mueller, might it be this whole investigation that's driving the tweets, keeping his -- we were referring to the mar-a-lago fox news cabinet placated? >> he uses it to speak directly to the american people. he doesn't want the filter of scrutiny of misinformation. tweets over the last couple of days have been filled with propaganda, mistruths, misrepresentations and when anyone criticizes that or checks

So he will push. at that point trump says, no, my lawyers have told you what they're going to say. take it or leave it. what's mueller's option, subpoena. what's trump's option? he could cave or he more likely will say no, i'm not going to seed to the subpoena. we'll take it to court. he doesn't have to fire mueller. but what he is doing is laying the ground work to delegitimize mueller and resist a mueller subpoena. and that puts this into the realm of the courts to slug it out. does, you know, mueller have the adequate criminal predicate to prevail. ultimately it goes to the supreme court wh...

Saying it's a paper thin case, how do you react? >> it's astonishing that they're still saying that, even after 19 people have been charged with crimes, after five of them have pleaded guilty. it's just -- it's very clear as of right now anyway that this is not just a witch hunt. actually, robert mueller made that clear a few weeks ago when he indicted 13 russian nationals for their role in interfering in the election. that made it clear to everyone around robert mueller, even his critics, that he was not just going after the president. he was actually actively investigating russia's election ...

As he emerges from the central figure in dramatic story telling how this president approached in some cases tried to stop the investigation that haunts his presidency. joining us now is former white house counsel to president obama, bob bower. mr. bower, thank you for joining us on short notice tonight. appreciate it. >> sure, of course. >> we're told tonight in the "new york times" that as white house counsel, the president directed mr. mcgahn to fire robert mueller, to call the justice department and see to it mueller was dismissed. does that seem structurally right how that would have to wo...

Boy, but maybe he's the comb fefie boy. everybody made a thing about the fact that it was just george papadopoulos, you know, the coffee boy who's pled guilty in october of 2017, but he is key, because facts are key, the evidence is key, and what's happening to george and how is he working with, you know, robert mueller. when you think about it mueller is piecing together his case, piece by piece, step by step, doing so with complete and utter discretion. so now we're having a little bit of the onion peeled back and we're starting to see that statement of the offense that george papadopoulos r...