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Has changed this and that we're still in for rough sledding if they keep pushing it. >> no. this law -- they are going full steam ahead with it and anytime they come into a glitch that exposes the true nature of it they change it. cannot imagine a law that can be changed like this as constitutional. even if you call at it tax. they just keep changing it as you go, and when they start calling healthcare shots like that, it is going to be absolutely lethal for so many people. >> neil: thank you very much for joining us. we appreciate it. >> thank you for having me. >> neil: you want vote? better...

Fraud. we have to make sure they're not voting for somebody who is dead. >> neil: to her point you can say, well, you're abusing the rights of the underprivileged and those who are too poor, they're not going to be able to -- >> every consideration has been made. everything-done through the mail for three. >> you don't think this is voter spruce. >> absolutely not. >> you do. >> statistic shows it's voter repreparation neil -- >> neil: what are you referring to. >> 30 states currently require voter i.d., even new york state -- >> neil: the minority vote or the for under privileged votes, under...

Facing a major backlash. the naacp and aclu challenging it, saying it will suppress voter turnout. what do you think? >> i think they have a good case. although requiring i.d.es probably doesn't affect your average american because we have i.d.es and it's not a big deal for us to get them, who this is affecting is the people on the fringe. the poor, the elderly, people who just even getting to the place that issues the i.d. is a real pain in the neck and if that is what it is requiring it becomes a poll tax which we know it not legal. big deal here. you can argue that especially when the gover...

You knee i.d. to buy cigarettes or alcohol. you can get all of this from the comfort of your easy chair. you can vote from the comfort of your easy chair. what is the big deal. >> neil: and we're all going to have the healthcare i.d. anyway and use that. >> voting is a fundamental right. this constitutional law -- >> neil: little potential for abusing. you could really have some devious ideas. >> statistics show that voting fraud really is not nearly as widespread of a problem as it's sometimes made out to be when touting the programs, and there's a serious danger, constitutional law showed us...