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To the fact that all of the sudden, when it is police whose defense attorneys are speaking, we're like, let's investigate this defense. this happens all the time. when somebody gets arrested and the defense lawyer says, he is not guilty -- generally met with deafening silence, but okay. here is the thing. what they are not talking about is the little bit about chasing. we can go to town all day long about whether it is or isn't. these knife statutes can be a little bit vague. sometimes it is hard to tell whether something is or isn't. that's called a matter of fact. matters of fact are decided...

Ethically disclosed, relayed or released before trial. i talked to professor david figa the national criminal defense college, about what he thought of the back and forth. >> first of all, can we just take a moment to talk about why we are paying so much attention to the fact that all of the sudden when it is police whose defense attorneys are speaking, we're like let's investigate this defense. this happens all the time. when somebody gets arrested and the defense lawyer says he is not guilty generally melt with deafening silence. here is the thing. what they are not talking about is the litt...

>> first of all, can we just take a moment to talk about why we are paying so much attention to the fact that all of the sudden, when it is police whose defense attorneys are speaking, we're like, let's investigate this defense. this happens all the time. when somebody gets arrested and the defense lawyer says, he is not guilty, generally melt with deafening silence. here is the thing. what they are not talking about is the little bit about chasing. we can go to town all day long about whether it is or isn't. these knife statutes can be a little bit vague. sometimes it is hard to tell whether ...