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I just don't want this -- to me, it's more about -- you know, this is happening in hollywood. i think we live in a bubble. i live in a bubble. i've worked in the entertainment business, sports, radio, television, commercials, movies, for over 20 years. and i think because all of this is happening here. i mean, this -- with al now in the senate, so this is kind of hollywood and kind of politics but it's sort of the same sort of stage. you know, it's just sort of parallel. this is happening in middle america. this is happening, you know, for women that work at chili's. this is happening for wome...

To find some quid pro quo there, some corrupt intent and that's not always easy for a jury to conceptualize. because it's hard to understand whether just doing favors for each other is a criminal act. because independently, the things the senator did on their own were legal. the things that dr. melgin did on his own was legal. but when done together, the government says, uh-oh, that's criminal. >> did melgin play ball? i can't recall if he turned state's evidence? >> no, they're both tried together. >> okay. steve kornacki has joined us here msnbc political analyst. typically when we talk abou...