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Capability, going after the perpetrators of these kind of crimes in attacks, one of the things that we hear from your sector is that the potential blow back, the potential consequences of very aggressive offensive actions is something that may be hard for us to conceptualize. maybe it's something hard for us to get our heads around. how do you think about that? if we did do, if the u.s. government to do the kind of things are proposing, treating these groups effectively as we treated international terrorist groups. what is the risk in how they could retaliate? well with the blow back? be >> we...

Of blowback, that when we talk about defense capabilities, hardening yourselves as a target, and then you talk about going after the perpetrators of these kinds of crimes and attacks, one of the things we hear from your sector is that the potential blowback, the potential effects of a certain action may be hard for us to conceptualize, hard for us to get our head around. if the u.s. government did do the kind of things you're prop proposing, treating these groups effective how we've treated terrorist groups, what might the blowback be? >> this concern about blowback is something that's been ra...

Operate in russia, so it's long past time for us to take matters into our own hands and try to get these groups shut down online and make their lives very difficult with cyber operations. >> i feel like a lot of us who are sort of outside the cyber and cyber security world, run up pretty quickly against the idea of blowback. that when we talk about defensive capabilities, hardening yourselves as a target, andy then you talk about offensive, going after the perpetrators of these attacks. one of the things we hear from your sector is that the potential blowback, the potential effects of a certai...

Barrel. and the numbers get very confusing. so i reached out to tulane professor hank ashtba. you have a gallon of milk at the home. it smalls all over the place. it's a thin amount. we're talking volume. if you take 64 days of the volume of the oil at 60,000 barrels a day, it would be enough to fill up 20 washington monuments. he calculates it would be 245 olympics sized swimming pools, 50,000 dump trucks and because it's louisiana, 2.6 billion hurricane drinks which are very popular here in the french quarter. it gives you an idea of trying to conceptualize. there are underwater plumes 3200 ...

To find some quid pro quo there, some corrupt intent and that's not always easy for a jury to conceptualize. because it's hard to understand whether just doing favors for each other is a criminal act. because independently, the things the senator did on their own were legal. the things that dr. melgin did on his own was legal. but when done together, the government says, uh-oh, that's criminal. >> did melgin play ball? i can't recall if he turned state's evidence? >> no, they're both tried together. >> okay. steve kornacki has joined us here msnbc political analyst. typically when we talk abou...