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41,000 federal employees. hans, tell us not just what the government workers are telling you there, but local businesses, businesses in a town with that many federal workers and buildings that are closed down, they can't stay open. >> reporter: well, they're seeing their sales decline. that's kind of what you would expect to happen when you have that many furloughed workers here who aren't getting a paycheck. of course, you also have workers say at the t.s.a. who are going in and aren't getting paid, but you have a lot of people here. you mentioned the 41,000. about 15% of that is nasa. you ha...

Say. pat is right and i don't agree with him on most things most of the time. we are into this situation. there are strategic issues at stake that are very important and if we were to pull out, we would see aftereffects. some knockout effects in pakistan that i think would strengthen the terrorists' hand. >> this is obama's war. >> no, this is bush's war. it's not buchanan's war. you were against it from the start. >> to be continued. thank you, both, very much. up next, she was tried and convicted in iran. all she was doing was journalism. up next, roxana saberi joins us. you're watching "a...