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All these others coming to create this testimony, this is the moment where democrats can really deliver the case for the american people. >> know el, 15 seconds. >> how does this translate into votes? >> charlie, is that true? are they communicating it well there in the beltway? 15 seconds to you. >> well, you know, these are hearings taking place behind closed doors, unlike 1974. that means it's leaks and snippets. we haven't seen the real transcripts yet. that's when i think people will be able to dig into this. >> msnbc contributor and washington correspondent for "the new york times," char...

Hearing on cyber threats and the continue democrat, ben card 'is, urge can congress to move two potential pieces of legalization, one calling for additional sanctions on russia. >> let's bring in our panellests. richard fowler. know el, a republican strategist. richard, let me ask you this. even some democrats seem wholly unimpressed with what president obama has done in the way of punishment or sanctions. ben carden, top democrat on the foreign relations committee in u.s. senate, said these actions are, quote, not sufficient. he is demanding enhanced sanctions. what does i say when at the end...

Got the republican party that is not seen as anything more favorable than the democrats, you got a president -- the formula is not here for a wave election that's something you have to pay attention to. >> sean: i'll take that bet. >> i will win. >> sean: last question to know el. charlie rangel we saw the impact the mark foley now we have multiple ethics violations. is this going to be a big thorn in the democrats' side? >> absolutely. they can't take much more on that on the democratic party and on them as a whole, at all. >> sean: beckel, i like your larry king look. >> if the democrats los...

Got the republican party that is not seen as anything more favorable than the democrats, you got a president -- the formula is not here for a wave election that's something you have to pay attention to. >> sean: i'll take that bet. >> i will win. >> sean: last question to know el. charlie rangel we saw the impact the mark foley now we have multiple ethics violations. is this going to be a big thorn in the democrats' side? >> absolutely. they can't take much more on that on the democratic party and on them as a whole, at all. >> sean: beckel, i like your larry king look. >> if the democrats los...