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Demonstrated that mueller will go after lawyers and will go after them regardless of how small the violation may appear. he wants people to tell the truth. so i think that message is very clear. any lawyers who are involved in this are going to have to testify truthfully, or there will be consequences. >> and william, you recently wrote something that got a lot of attention in legal circles. you said trump likely fits the u.s. attorney manual definition of a target, a person against whom there's substantial evidence linking him or her to a crime and is a p-- >> the question is whether, first o...

White house to make money. he wanted millions in return. the banker a man named steven cox didn't end up getting a job in the white house. manafort gets a $900 milli $900 home. now mueller's trying to figure out if those loans were part of a deal, a quid pro quo between manafort and the banker. and if this was a scheme, was anyone else in on it and if anyone else was in on it, was it the trump white house. i know we're always bringing you something new in the mueller probe. a source tells nbc news that at least one of those bank employees felt pressure into doing those deals and is now coopera...

Assuming the press found out about it that he had just given spectacular grand jury testimony. and people said it was the best grand jury testimony they had ever heard. >> as we say in court, i feel you on that. the flip side is that that was supposed to be the case with the clinton-starr system when it was finally arranged. it was videotaped to stay private but through ken starr's maneuveri maneuverings, it did go public. randall, one more legal thing and then we'll widen it out to our panel. rachel brand got a lot of attention for leaving the doj, she would have been next to replace mueller....

Week, a lot's going down. but take a listen to someone who's in the know, some colorful trump character, sam noneberg who was on the show last night. he's also worried based on what he knows about trump's long time lawyer michael cohen. >> i worry about michael, i'm not going to say michael's going to lie, michael got screwed the most i ever saw of anyone by donald trump. and what i worry about is what michael's going to say when he's called in by somebody like andrew weisman. >> when you see that and how mueller is approaching lawyers and false statements of obstruction, do you think there ar...

Knows a lot of things that most of us don't so i would hesitate to characterize her statement at all. >> i don't know whether she's trying to weasel her way out of there, so i imagine she's going to make more money that she ever would at the department of justice. and it's a pretty thankless job that she's in right now. i don't think her leaving says anything about anything at this point in time. but the president can't weasel his way away from what's happening, he's clearly in some way connected, his friends are to the nefarious things that are happening and he can't just keep saying it's not...