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Confessore. republican strategist and political commentator susan dell persio and jim vandehye. you are one nice guy, we've always known that about you, political analyst, michael steele. you are one patient man. >> do you want to tell everybody that doesn't know what we're talking about it. >> we'll get to it. >> we'll get to it. michael, that was surreal. >> quite an experience you had there. >> tweeted over the weekend, known you for a very long time, i've known matt who runs cpac for a very long time and i was -- of course we were all stunned that somebody said it was a mistake to select y...

Just drink the cool aid but take the iv and plunge it into his arm. and it was stunning and disappointing. the fact that he would then twist this back and say, oh well, yeah, this because you were a lousy chairman. well, like i gave a damn about that? i knew people didn't want me to be chairman. i knew people didn't like that i was chairman. i was not their typical chairman. but my goal was to do two things, raise money, win elections. and we did that. and there's never been that level of respect for that. and that was brought out there. but even beyond that, joe, the fact of the matter is tha...

Examining and reporting ourselves. i looked up to him and he taught me a whole lot. >> i haven't known matt. when people asked me about matt the only thing i could tell him, peggy, when i came here as a republican and went over to the "today" show for the first time nobody talked to me but matt lauer got up from his desk, walked across the studio, like fumbling over a lot of things, shook my hands and said we're glad you're here. >> that was nice. >> and i relaxed. >> he appreciated the predicament you were in? >> that was my one small glimpse with him. but if he listen to willie and savannah ...

Applaud black people. >> we don't want to really get in the details, but the republican party while you were chairman racked up record numbers of legislative victories. again, we'll get to all of that later on. >> it's incredible. we want to let it breathe. >> there were a couple of moments, though, where matt said to michael, why are you making this about race? and michael said, what the hell are you talking about? it's your guy that said i'm black and that it was a mistake to pick me. and then also said he should show a little more grace. >> wow. >> wow. okay. so we'll just leave -- that's a...

Then just not even a suggestion, basically saying you deserve the criticism because you've been critical of donald trump. >> yeah. and this was -- that moment for me was the final trumpification of the republican party. matt could not see the forest through the trees. he was blinded by an apparent loyalty to whatever the president is saying or doing without thought or consideration. it was a death nail for me. it was a very stunning moment and it was also when you stop and think about it, joe, it's something you and i have talked about not just on this program but privately within this party t...