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Person. and that's not how things work. >> a tad defensive there. >> a tad defensive. and you know, this is very much like all of the fights that obama was having with immigration activists up until this time. and there was bad blood between those folks and this president, and i think what we see there is just indicative of some of that. whether or not it's lingering, whether or not this executive order and possible immigration reform will wash all that away is unclear. >> it was interesting because a lot of those activists have since got on board with the president, some of them travelled to ...

Check, maybe he could be a contender, but he's still definitely an underdog. >> as we get back to new york, he's an asterisk in the polls right now, but don't discount him, rick santorum. he went from 1% to winning iowa, he could have been more of a presence, but his early signals that he's running, this that's our impact of seeing dr. ben carson. the noted pediatric neurosurgeon saying he's exploring. the social conservative. rick santorum saying i'm here, too, don't forget me. >> is there any bigger indicator than the sweater vest is back. the sweater vest is back, that means he's running. >...