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Of political problem for erdogan and in order to do that they are clearly using brutal and perhaps criminal methods. jillian: donald trump says the cease-fire is holding as we are getting the outcome we expected and things are going well. how does one square that with the footage we are seeing? the operation probably will be successful, syrian defense forces will have to evacuate from that region and the kurdish population will need to leave that region. if you are president erdogan you will say this is going fine but the cost, the human cost of what is happening is catastrophic. jillian: one of the arguments donald trump has made of withdrawing us forces, the kurds and the turks fighting in the border region for decades, they will fight if the us withdraws, continue fight if the us stays. ....
We turn to former member of the foreign service, retired ambassador to yemen and senior vice president of the middle east institute gerald fireside. you heard what benjamin reported, turkish militia going house to house in kurdish villages, raiding homes, killing families. does this sound like the behavior of a trusted nato ally? know. this is a catastrophe. what we heard is 300,000 kurds have been pushed out of this so-called safe zone that the turks are operating in, 120 km long and 30 km deep and this is the area that the turks have an agreement with russia that they are going to clear the syrian defense forces and kurdish forces and push the kurdish civilian population on. ....
How can we risk anymore american blood in that part of the world? the outcome will be the same. we are there not because of the kurds in the turks but because the kurds were cooperating with us in order to defeat the islamic state, to prevent the islamic state from using the region to mount attacks not only in the region but against the united states and our allies. that is why we were there. the kurds were our partners and accomplish in that and once they shed blood in that operation it wasn t the americans. you have seen 11,000 kurdish fighters died cooperating with the united states. jillian: is it fair to blame donald trump as a lot of democrats are doing for the death of kurdish civilians, ....