of political problem for erdogan and in order to do that they are clearly using brutal and perhaps criminal methods. jillian: donald trump says the cease-fire is holding as we are getting the outcome we expected and things are going well. how does one square that with the footage we are seeing? >> the operation probably will be successful, syrian defense forces will have to evacuate from that region and the kurdish population will need to leave that region. if you are president erdogan you will say this is going fine but the cost, the human cost of what is happening is catastrophic. jillian: one of the arguments donald trump has made of withdrawing us forces, the kurds and the turks fighting in the border region for decades, they will fight if the us withdraws, continue fight if the us stays.