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Hundreds of millions of people freeing them, helping to free them from communism, the enormous credentials he brought on foreign policy, this is what history says about someone not in terms of burnishing their own legacy, so i think bush had it figured right. and you know what? look at how he's been remembered today. that speaks for itself. >> great to speak with you, thank you very much. kurt smith joining us. up next, reverend al sharpton with his final thoughts. depend fit-flex is made for me. with a range of sizes for all body types, depend fit-flex underwear is guaranteed to be your best ...

>> as washington, d.c. is planning for the 2018 major league all-star game later this month, it's worth noting baseball's relationship with american presidents is almost as old as the game itself. joining me now is former white house speechwriter, author of a new book, "the presidents and the pastime," mr. kurt smith. welcome, sir. >> ed, thanks for inviting me. great to be with you. >> one of our producers lou is a big baseball fan like me, and collects memorabilia, probably more than we should have, in the basement, the closet, the drawer, everywhere else. he found a program that he collecte...

>> as washington, d.c. is planning for the 2018 major league all-star game later this month, it's worth noting baseba ed: as washington dc plans for the major league baseball all-star game baseball's relationship with american presidents is as old as the game itself. joining is white house speechwriter and author of a new book, the pres.s and the past time. mr. kurt smith, welcome. >> thanks for inviting me. ed: i could talk baseball with you all night. i will start this way. one of our producers is a baseball fan like me and collect memorabilia more than we have in the basement and closet and...

>> you've given me a lot of examples of what you say this could do. i want to stay on what people are worried about it doing. let me ask you this -- >> that's exactly what i'm talking about. >> i know you are. here's the one i want to ask you about -- >> at the signing there were orthodox rabbis at the signing. >> and there were a lot of lobbyists who don't like gays and that's why some people suspect that it was a private bill signing. right? it wasn't open to the media. >> i disagree with that. >> i understand that and you have your right to. >> it's falsely characterizing people. and the. >...

You know the gentlemen that i'm talking about. kurt smith, eric miller, you know who these gentlemen are. you know what they represent ideologically. it's not a coincidence they're standing behind the governor, is it? >> i think for most who signed on to that bill and those who support it, it really was what i said. it was the hobby lobby case. it was understanding that we wanted to protect the religious freedom of all hoosiers. just like 30 other states enjoy. and it is not about discrimination. we really welcome everyone in the state of indiana. our city, indianapolis, is considered one of t...