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Will be the attorney for the white house. and all of that could change. and the question is whether or not once it gets to the senate, will the white house counsel call witnesses or want joe biden or hunter biden or will he call for the whistle-blower for example. that is all sort of up in the air and what you're hearing from officials and we've talked to our sources over here the athe white house and advisers who talked to the president from time to time, there is a debate going on inside of the president's legal team and inside of the white house council office as to whether or not any of th...

We don't want to broaden this. we want to keep it digestible for the american people and now for the senate trial we have a former ukrainian diplomat who has been contacted by the senate staff and that he has agreed to give an interview. now the scope of what he's agreed to speak about is 2016. and he is someone who has promoted the debunked theory that it was ukraine and not russia behind meddling in the 2016 election. so this is really new tangible evidence with regard to where that senate trial is headed because the senate is controlled by the republicans. andner going to want to look back ...

And if they do, at some point, put them in a public space and maybe put them in front of the senate, are these people actually unimpeachable witnesses? i'm not sure that they will be. that is one of the big problems going forward on the republican side, is that some of the conspiracy theories are rabbit holes and they are very difficult to defend once they are pressed on both sides, not just by republican questioners but by democrats as well. >> let me get dana to weigh in as well. dana, there are some potentially very significant pitfalls down the road for democrats. >> absolutely. first and ...

In the house. wolf, expect that to be the message from the white house here on forward until this process gets to the senate whereas you were saying a few moments ago, they see that as a much more favorable setting because the senate is controlled by the republicans and the senate majority leader mitch mcconnell will have a greater control over the process than they obviously have at this point over in the house. but getting back to the letter. it is just would paragraphs. we've seen much lengthy letters in the past but this makes it clear telling house democrats they will not be participating...

>> mark, we know that we've reported that giuliani is already under some sort of federal investigation. do you think he's making matters worse for himself by now returning to ukraine? >> i mean it is hard to imagine it is making things better for himself by returning to ukraine. especially since as we believe what is central to this doj investigation into his businesses is some of this work and involvement with some of the people who he's now engaged with now. so i can't imagine it helps matters. at the same time, tieing together what we were talking about earlier, the question of why is rudy ...