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Position vis-a-vis vladimir putin personally, so one can again speculate that maybe there's something there. >> you've worked for six american presidents, both republican and democrat. have you ever spoken out in the way that you are doing now against one of your former bosses? >> no. this is the second time that i've retired. the first time i didn't speak out at all. i said some things in terms of policies, but never about the person. and this is a very different person who inhabits the oval office. again, he lacks integrity. he is dishonest, mean spirited and not taking into account what rea...

That it was in their interest and the russians, i think, have had long experience with mr. trump and may have things that they could expose and reveal. >> something personal perhaps? >> perhaps. perhaps. >> you just said you thought it was possible that the russians had something on donald trump. director of the c.i.a. until 2017. is that speculation, or are you talking with information? >> i'm saying that perhaps the russians have something and that's why mr. trump is concerned. mr. trump knows better than any one of us whether or not the russians may have something on him. so, i think it's v...

With one voice, to have a fairly clear point of view on things, you have a president who is just tweeting out utter madness. dangerous madness in the case of encouraging the doj to go after his political enemies, but, you know, it's just -- it's just -- i mean, off script doesn't even begin to describe it. again, i don't know that we've ever been here. you'll recall president obama at one point was considering sending one of our carrier groups into the south china sea, diverting it, and president obama at the time said, hey, we do not bluff with aircraft carriers. and, you know, here's our new...

United states to be speaking with one voice, to have a fairly clear point of view on things, you have a president who is just tweeting out utter madness. dangerous madness in the case of encouraging the doj to go after his political enemies, but, you know, it's just -- it's just -- i mean, off script doesn't even begin to describe it. again, i don't know that we've ever been here. you'll recall president obama at one point was considering sending one of our carrier groups into the south china sea, diverting it, and president obama at the time said, hey, we do not bluff with aircraft carriers. ...

We don't want to skip a beat in our conversation so we'll bring him right in. that's pulitzer prize author john meacham who happens to be an msnbc contribute bore and germane to our conversation happens to be a southern at the same time as a historian. and no one ever rolled credits on the civil rights struggle. no one ever said well that's over because of course it never ended and won't. so i need to you sum up just where we are vis-a-vis the president's remarks tonight in pensacola, his attendance tomorrow in mississippi, and the fact that an icon or two has chosen to stay away because of it...