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Gotten into the act. they have a tremendous opportunity to be an influence on north korea. maybe they've gotten -- decided to do that senator, quickly before i let you go. you and ambassador nikki haley, you know on sunday she said the united states was preparing more sanctions on russia, because of russia's involvement in that chemical attack in syria. then all of a sudden the white house via larry ckudlow, economc adviser said haley had gotten ahead of the curve. haley responded tuesday saying "i don't get confused." what do you make of the back and forth between this administration and its ...

Exactly happened -- her side of the story if will you from her announcement on sunday to the president rejecting this on monday. the state department though is saying this afternoon that sanctions could come soon against russia. that is what larry ckudlow told us earlier this afternoon. so jake, certainly one more sign of at least apparent confusion over this white house strategy toward russia. >> thank you so much. my panel is back with me. kevin, take a look at this picture from "the new york times" that a reporter ken thrush from monday's paper versus today about the sanctions. i have to ...

>> it's a constant flow process. on average, i can't give you each 30 days off the top. on average the usa takes in, the government takes in $240 billion. that's a monthly average. and the interest expense we pay on debt is 35 billion. 240 versus 35. it's not close. that will be the first priority is to keep the full faith and credit going like any sensible country would. what president obama has done here, i think is very -- there is no danger of a threat to our treasuries. really, that's an awful trump. >> robert, i can see you -- >> if i may disagree with my good friend larry kudlow. >> you...

Not only that but we have seen the stock market since mid september. a win that republicans started to talk about a shutdown of the stock market also has lost ground. the dow is about 6% below what it was before and all of these things have some pressure on the republican party. let me get to the second point you just raised. there is, in fact, you are right that a default does not automatically triggered by october 17th that is jack lu and the treasury could prioritize interest payments on the debts but it would mean cutting dramatically everything else the government owes to social security ...

Provided by gym ferries, they are provided by taxpayers. mr. speaker, if you and the house republicans are serious and not scenical about the shutdown, then shut down the house gym until this madness ends. >> democratic congressman outraged that house members are hitting the gym while government workers hit the unemployment line. it is madness. what will it take to end it? joining me two men that couldn't disagree more about it. larry ckudlow. larry, you tweeted short term clean cr and debt hike followed by negotiated long term and budget debt deal. did you see that the way through this? >> it...