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He has never talked about even this deal until yesterday. you know, i think the one person they really want is a murderer from germany, he killed somebody in open daylight, right? in a park on a bicycle. he is in german captivity and that is the person they really want out, i think that is difficult for the united states government to work with him, but there may be others i don't know, but there may be other criminals that could be traded. i do know for a fact that the biden administration continues to work on these issues, for paul whelan, mark hochul, they remain committed to get all americ...

Type of deal, what was needed to get wieland out of russia and he says he does not. i wonder if you have that sense of who or what they would want an exchange? >> well putin said some encouraging things yesterday, he said we are open to other deals, that is unusual for him, he has never talked about even this deal until yesterday. you know, i think the one person they really want is a murderer from germany, he killed somebody in open daylight, right? in a park on a bicycle. he is in german captivity and that is the person they really want out, i think that is difficult for the united states go...

Around us though they are all just rich people and they all live close to putin. it's not true, some oligarchs live in london and have yachts here there and put hates them. and some oligarchs don't live in london, they run gas companies, and we're not seizing their assets, and they want there's other assets of these oligarchs to be seized. so it's the right thing to do, i support sanctions, they're putting a lot of pressure on the russian society. i just think we have to be careful about how we talk about how these kinds of things will actually impact putin and his decision-making. it's not so...