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People are saying that he paid to play cop. that's very troubling. i think what's also troubling sort of if you look at the big picture are what are standards to be used when you have deputy reserves or in new york the auxiliary police. clearly the reason why you have auxiliary police and deputy reserves is because we have a money problem when it comes to law enforcement. what do you do with that problem? do you have volunteers or rather try to earmark more money for our law enforcement and do you also try to earmark money for tasers for less intrusive ways of policing? do you try to earmark m...

Enforcement consultant and he is also a former nypd detective and also legal analyst sunny hostin. in watching a bit of that news conference tom, the sheriff seems very defensive. >> yeah. i think there's good reason for him to be defensive. there's a lot of big question marks that still haven't been answered yet with this. >> he keeps saying we followed all national standards. everything is hunky-dory. it's not. >> i mean there's a -- i don't think the question has been answered talking about the firearm used whether that was his personal firearm -- >> let's go back to this. he's answering a ...

A larger problem that you can waive all of the training -- >> we're going to jump away from this once more. he said mr. bates was qualified to be a reserve deputy and that he completely understands still how easily it might be for a police officer to mistake a handgun for a taser. your thoughts on his answers, tom? >> well again, they clearly do things differently in tulsa than they do in new york. we have a number of volunteer auxiliary police officers in new york. almost 5,000 of them. they're not armed. they're not armed with a firearm. they're not armed with a taser. they're not even armed...