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and we commandeered the gulfstream jet. and about eight or nine of us got on that jet at midnight and flew to berlin. a current affair was rupert's baby, to the point where i believe rupert wrote a check out of his own checking account every single week for the show. >> this show is rampant anarchy. >> rupert liked it because it was cheeky. >> charles and camilla's naughty thong fantasy. >> it was edgy. >> these gorgeous playmates frolic with privileged guests. >> a current affair. >> it was a tabloid show. he said there is a place for a show like this, and people will gravitate to i...

to this empire. >> early on, rupert develops a machiavellian approach to the newspaper business. it's about putting your rivals under. >> and mr maxwell certainly has lost. >> and, rupert discovered if you start turning the dial down market, ratings go up. >> sex and murder and blood, and mayhem. >> he bought up 40% of the circulation of newspapers in england. >> this is his moment to expand. >> post here! get your post here. new york post... >> murdoch put his stamp on the city of new york. here i am. you'd better pay some attention. i'm going to have one hell of an impact. >> as us...

For gossip columns, which i found really fascinating. >> roy cohn and murdoch became friendly. and in fact, cohn represented murdoch at some point. >> there isn't anything i would not do, because i believe there's only one answer in an adversary profession like law, and that is winning. >> cohn was easily, of all the people i've profiled or done interviews with, was the single worst human being i've ever encountered. cohn would boast about you never apologize. you never go on defense. you always go on offense. >> deny everything, admit nothing, launch counter attack. attack, attack, attack. >>...

Murdoch at some point. >> there isn't anything i would not do, because i believe there's only one answer in an adversary profession like law, and that is winning. >> cohn was easily, of all the people i've profiled or done interviews, with was the single worst human being i've ever encountered. cohn would boast about you never apologize. you never go on defense. you always go on offense. >> deny everything, admit nothing, launch counter attack. attack, attack, attack. >> attack, attack, attack, attack. >> don't accept it, don't compromise. kill them. ♪ happy birthday to you ♪ >> do you hav...

Of the dilgt digital content and elie honig and the author of a new book "hatchetman how bill barr corrupted the justice department." thank you both for joining us this morning. eli, let's start with you. if donald trump was your client and you watched him do this, what would your reaction be to what he's saying. >> i think would smack my forehead first, boris. look, this is a very unorthodox playbook but it is the donald trump playbook. we've seen it over the years. donald trump's mantra is admit nothing, deny everything, launch counter attack. it is not necessarily the best playbook if you'r...