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These illegal immigrants who find safe haven in these cities because we've allowed this to go on for so long and then we don't enforce the law and we create this problem. i don't think we should have a deportation force. >> people are undocumented immigrants. >> the government term is ail yen. >> i worked at i.n.s., back when it was i.n.s. during the clinton administration. this has been an issue that has been existing since the 1980s let's look at the history and the reality of it. it's not a legal term. i think mayor garsetti was right on point when he said he doesn't call us a sanctuary cit...

Resigned. you don't have politicians pick and choose which laws they're going toen force. this was the core issue of the trump campaign was build the wall. this isn't about families. they're not even supposed to be here. they don't pay taxes. they clog the schools. >> they do pay taxes, sir. >> let him finish. >> it is absolutely and as far as de blasio, look at the conditions in new york city. they're going to have to epiforce the law. you don't pick which laws you're going to enforce. you go back to the civil war, and states that wanted slavery. you had state it's. >> you have lived in new y...

And they feel as though they want the united states to be welcoming and i understand that. >> i feel a but coming on. >> yes, there's but here. i worked in illegal immigration on capitol hill for seven year for a southern california congressman and i really got to see the devastating effects now. we need to talk about illegal immigration. and the devastating effects it's had, particularly in california, you know you had the los angeles mayor, and reminds me of jamiel shaw, a case when i worked in you can think of a 17-year-old young black boy that was getting ready to go to college, promising ...

Handcuffed and can't do their job s because i have places lik los angeles and others who openly will not cooperate with federal law enforcement officers in order to enforce the law. the obama administration got rid of the 287 g program which basically helped to train -- >> because it wasn't working. >> that's not true it. local la enforcement officers to find out if someone is detained if they're illegal or not. they got rid of that because the obama administration did not want people deported. >> it was a strain on local law enforcement. local law enforcement said i don't want to do this beca...

Election. >> john's trying to pretend that immigration and this issue of quote/unquote sanctuary cities is simple. i think completely -- >> it is simple. >> -- be tratrays issue this pe. >> let her respond. >> this is an issue that is so incredibly complicated, multilayered. there's reason why we have not been able to get to -- >> i can hear the violins from here. >> -- continue to hear violation reform, when you have bipartisan people who have been working on this for years and there are certain pieces that need to be contained in a bill, but what happened is then it gets thrown into the poli...