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The head of secure committee, david venzarello told me that personally face to face in a meeting where there were other people present. reporter: on the flipside of that argument is los angeles county sheriff lee backkwrarbgs he says and i m quoting across the united states, sheriffs and police chiefs have voiced their support for this program as law enenforcers, it is our job to use all available resources to protect citizens and uphold the rule of law. for the obama administration, it s kind of a pickle, right? because sanctuary cities and counties is a violation of federal law. they re already suing the state of arizona for trying to enforce federal law. the question now becomes what do they do to counties who are violating federal law. jenna: it s a very interesting debate, trace. so thank you for that. california is now joining a growing number of states that are taking steps to opt out of that federal program, essentially creating sanctuary states where illegals will find it ea ....