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Assault on our -- the machinery of american democracy when you have a sitting president who tries to overthrow the majority in the electoral college of his opponent, who beat him by more than 7 million votes. >> i guess the question is, knowing what you know and knowing what the american people will see in their hearings, do you believe that the justice department should indict the former president? >> one of the conventions that was crushed during the trump administration was respect by politicians for the independence of the law enforcement function. and so i'm going to try to observe that. ...

Administration was legally, you know, forced to accept where we adjudicate these cases on the mexican side of the border -- the u.s. side of the border, that we're not honoring that in your state and the other states as well? >> that is accurate. they're instituting it piecemeal. so it's happening right now in el paso to my understanding. we do not have title 42 authority here in the state of arizona. so the cartels take advantage of this. they use the humanitarian crisis that is so heart breaking on your screen to get the drugs, the fentanyl, the methamphetamine and the cocaine across the bor...

This situation to apply, which is the criminal provision of the hatch act. what that statute provides is that it shall be unlawful for anybody, that would include the president of the united states, to coerce or attempt to coerce a federal employee into engaging in political activity. and what that would mean is that if donald trump had directed or tried to coerce acting attorney general rosen to walking down pennsylvania avenue with a trump 2020 flag, that would have been criminal. here this was much worse, he was attempting to coerce the department of justice, coerce rosen into engaging in w...

>> bill: in the legal sense you are the lawyer, i'm not. what lawyers the end to do is parse the language. they could parse it the following way. it is one thing to be looking at the election of 2016. another thing to be forecasting toward 2020. you understand the distinction? >> i do. the first one looking backward is really more of a legitimate law enforcement function because you are trying to protect the sanctity of our elections. learn who happened to prevent it from happening again. looking forward it because more dicey. you look to a future election and the information would be for use ...

Matters do get litigated in court i could very easily see a court saying, you know what, is this an impeachment inquiry or five different committees who all of a sudden say we are calling it an impeachment? i think she would be in a much stronger position if she did call for a vote but i don't think she's got the vote. >> laura: bob, do you agree that the posture of this is very curious? it's almost like you are half man, half out. what is this here? >> the problem for the democrats is that there is an issue called legislative purpose. most things that congress does have to have a legislative ...