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For a long time, and there's a growing bipartisan consensus. the cartels need to be redefined as a national security threat, not just a law enforcement problem for the united states. that redesignation would really give with us tools and a range of understanding about the cartels as an international problem that we haven't been facing now. that all came up when the attorney general, merrick garland, every thed. this is a major problem in international relations, and we have to treat it that way -- eric: you just -- >> the state department where i served has never really used the cartel problem...

When mark says democrats wanted to defund police. that's not true. bowser is trying to get more police officers to work on the police force. when we talk about jackings carjackings. many that are done by teenagers. where should they be? they should be in rec centers and after school program and enrichment programming. if we tackle the problem of crime to only look at it as a law enforcement problem is wrong. what early interventions can we put in place to stop them from getting into crime and stop the political name calling and focus on solutions? there is a lot of name calling, you want to de...

Does that mean? what does it look like from where you stand? >> well, you know, it's a comprehensive approach. it's both and and not either/or. it's law enforcement problem and also access to guns. look, it goes back to -- well, my administration's focused on the economic and social roots of crime. so, it's a -- this is not a place for partisanship. this is something we need to come together and look at all the ways we can help solve the problem. >> when you're talking about gun safety, for instance, and you're someone -- you believe in the right to own a firearm, right? but you also believe i...

It for someone to acquire a gun? well, extremely easy. of course it depends state by state. texas is one state where it is very easy. you really don't have to present very much by way of background, and that's what the democrats want to tighten. one of the things they want to clamp down on. they want universal background checks for gun sales in this country. those laws of varying state—by—state, and gun shows here, you don't have to present any means of identification. and they want a ban on assault weapons of the kind that are used in some of these recent attacks. but the republican point...

But thriving on u.s. soil. my next guest says the time for the reckoning has come. joining me now is florida congressman and former green bray -- mike, congressman thanks for joining the program. what is it going to take to get this under control? >> yeah, lawrence these cartels -- are armed now with heavy weapons. with armored vehicles, they have an estimated 30 to 40,000 soldiers and operatives under their command with assets to the tunes of billions. they are destabilizing our border. fentanyl is number one killer of young people right now and they're destabilizing mexican government that's...