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Straight with you. i agree your border should be secure. i don't think any state should have -- >> absolutely. >> greta: the second thing is we can't have lawbreakers. you can't be illegal. we need to figure out a sort of sane, reasonable, practical good decision. that's where everybody gets revved up. >> greta, enforce the law. why in the world do we defend lawmakers over law keepers? you have to look at the damage. >> greta: i'm going to take the last word. i gotta go. i'm in favor of enforcing the law. i like law, it makes it easier for us to figure out what to do when we have a bright line...

>> greta: can i get one thing straight with you. i agree your border should be secure. i don't think any state should have -- >> absolutely. >> greta: the second thing is we can't have lawbreakers. you can't be illegal. we need to figure out a sort of sane, reasonable, practical good decision. that's where everybody gets revved up. >> greta, enforce the law. why in the world do we defend lawmakers over law keepers? you have to look at the damage. >> greta: i'm going to take the last word. i gotta go. i'm in favor of enforcing the law. i like law, it makes it easier for us to figure out what to...

Talk. folks get on there and talk about the controversial bill. controversial with whom? law breakers versus law keepers? >> chief sponsor of the immigration bill now in place and is going to go into effect later this month. but russell pierce is now expected to introduce another bill in arizona sometime this fall that would keep birth certificates away from children who are born to illegal immigrants. so this would fly in the face of birthright citizen ship that the 14th amendment of the constitution guarantees. let me bring in ruben, a columnist for the san diego "union tribune" and contribu...

That we don't get the responsibility of all of these lawsuits. right now the city of phoenix took $240 million budget cut and that affects our parks, police officers, and all of that. so that's just heading us in all kinds of lawsuits, potential lawsuits in the future. what we're doing is trying to bring back peace in the street and what the phoenix suns have done by having los suns tonight i'll be very proud to wear this shirt. >> the first one i believe they won on monday. can we celebrate that for a moment in unit there? the arizona suns doing that? >> it would be nice. embracing law breake...