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Why should the president of the united states negotiate on a law that he ran twice on, was elected on, his opponent ran against, american people didn't vote for his opponent and it's been signed off by the supreme court. so why should he now leave that up to negotiation? >> well, he was an add junt constitutional law professor at the university of chicago. i'd say the answer to that question is article one of the constitution. the legislative branch. it's a paramount branch of government. it's set up to be the responsive branch from the people. there was a wave election -- >> didn't the people...

Up to negotiation? >> well, he was an adjunct constitutional law professor at the university of chicago. i'd say the answer to that question is article one of the constitution. the legislative branch. it's a paramount branch of government. it's set up to be the responsive branch from the people. there was a wave election -- >> didn't the people speak in presidential elections twice and elected him? >> yes. and the president's job is not to pass legislation, his job is to take care that the laws be faithfully executed. instead, he has amended this law a number of times unconstitutionally in my ...

Conversation was somewhat similar to what we're discussing about reagan. i mean, he did use tax increases. they were called fees in massachusetts to help close the budget loophole. that is,, you know -- and that's caused him a lot of problems with his conservative base and it's something he's generally shied away from talking about, because like every other republican on the stage, he's said he wouldn't vote for a debt ceiling increase that was 10 to one spending cuts versus tax hikes. yes, the evolution has happened. it's not been since '94 to now, it's been since 2000 to now. >> and bruce, t...