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About. i think it's important to note this, abby, i understanding the pain between the community and the police. i get that and get people wanting to make judgments on cases. after have you these emotional fits, you have to look at the facts. and i think it's important when you look at this case, there was so much doubt in this case that even though obama administration, the doj, that is normally quick to rush to judgment didn't even get involved. remember, this happened before the mike brown incident. and the doj took the mike brown case before they took this case because there was just so mu...

-- e-maim. i send you an e-mail that is two weeks old. and you have a big fan out there. a personal thing. you got a big fan out there. i want you'd to know about. >> i mram oblame outlook. >> joe russell. big joy reid favenn. everything i have to tell you i have to tell you on the air. you won't accept personal e-mails from me. >> outlook does not ak set yocc. >> praise from the king, bill russell all. haw i will search for the e-mail and send it back. >> i will send it again. personal business is done. >> jimmy: arie. thank you. >> thank you, lawrence. >> coming up. two of is going toly the ...

And who is also former chief of staff, senate finance committee. mike lofgren, long time congressional aide, including six years on the senate budget committee. mark patterson, you worked in the majority leader's office. you know everything about how this stuff works. what, what is the staff doing backstage the c-span cameras are never going to find while their bosses are posturing the staffs know on both side we have got to fix this? >> the staffs are freaking out, lawrence. >> yes, there is that. first. >> you and i have worked on debt loan increases in our time. on this one i have never bee...

On those families they should be ashamed of themselves. i don't know how they looked at themselves in the mirror. i mean, some things should be above politics. this is clearly one of them. and they can't go and just say this wasn't our intent. your number one responsibility as a member of congress, lawrence you, know you worked on capitol hill. it is to pass budgets. no, these republicans are so quick to start these wars. but to take care of these troops when they come home -- or in these cases of these five americans who didn't make it home this weekend, not to be there for their families -- ...

Government there is no we to leave military personnel and military families completely harmless in a government shutdown as some republicans apparently believed. >> that is absolutely correct, lawrence. in fact, congress was briefed before the shutdown that this would happen. and they still went through it, lawrence. they still went through -- with this basically shut down that was initiated by the ted cruz tea party wing of the republican party. and that is the driving force of the house republicans right now. and the problem is, is our military families who have already sacrificed so much ar...