Impeachment hearing, you can present all of that to the jury and i think a first-year law grad would win a conviction without breaking a sweat. >> stick with lawyers for a moment. chuck, turn to you. glen's using the word conspiracy and some say trepedatiously, don't use that word yet. are you comfortable using that in light of what you've seen here? again, in the filings and transcripts in that interwith abc news? >> they give you a lawyer answer, david. if you agree with somebody to do something illegal, that's a conspiracy. that's specifically what michael cohen said happened. he coordinate...