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Our democracy, but what do you think of his efforts to confront it? is it enough? >> i've said for awhile and i think you and i had this conversation, i don't think it's enough. i think the president, president biden's heart is in the right place and made moves but i often thing about lbj, actually on the voting rights anniversary. lbj wouldn't have done that unless he had been pushed and pushed and pushed by martin luther king and all the other civil rights leaders. remember, it took the montgomery march months before signing for it to remove it. i think joe biden, good person, but i think jo...

President doing? president biden doing? he is calling out the threat on our democracy. but what do you -- what do you think of his efforts to confront it? is it enough? >> well, i've said, for a while, and i think you and i have had this conversation. i don't think it's enough. i mean, i think joe -- the president -- president boiden's heart's in the right place. i think of lbj. lbj wouldn't have done that, unless he had been pushed. and pushed and pushed by martin luther king and all the other civil-rights leaders. remember, it took the selma-to-montgomery march just months before signing of ...