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Deep-seated people, drain the swamp, that are coming up with all sorts of phony charges against me, and they're not bringing up real charges against the other side. so we have a phony deal going on, and it's a cloud over my head. >> does it make you want to talk to mueller and put an end to it? does it make you want to talk to him? >> well, i can. >> it went on from there. let's turn to our leadoff panel. jennifer rodgers back with us, former u.s. attorney for the southern district of new york, now the executive director for columbia law school. jeremy bash, former chief of staff at cia and th...

Stand behind him -- >> oh, i would definitely stand behind him. he's a fine man. i'll always stand behind him. if i were him, actually, in many ways, i'd love to be him. but the fact is i wouldn't do it. i wouldn't do it. what does he need it for? i really don't think personally he should do it, but it's totally his. i would stand behind him. totally his decision. >> well, for more on this we turn to our leadoff panel tonight. peter baker, chief white house correspondent for "the new york times" and an msnbc political analyst. and anita kumar, white house correspondent for mcclatchy newspapers...

He should do it, but it's totally his. i would stand behind him. totally his decision. >> well, for more on this we turn to our leadoff panel tonight. peter baker, chief white house correspondent for "the new york times" and an msnbc political analyst. and anita kumar, white house correspondent for mcclatchy newspapers. good evening to you both. peter, senator tester tonight said 20 people have come forward. what do they all have in common? they are all active duty military. they have all taken this extraordinary step. some of them have tried to go via chain of command, and it didn't work. not...

Special counsel robert mueller's investigation. the white house's response to questions about that possibility also emphasized the word "intention." >> when he's going to fire rosenstein? when's he's going to fire mueller? >> he never says definitively. why not. >> right now he has no intention of firing him. >> as we've said many times before, we have no intention of firing the special counsel. we've been beyond cooperative with him. we continue to repeat that we think that the idea that the trump campaign was involved in any collusion with russia is a total witch hunt. >> it was chuck todd a...

So he's clearly one of the key witnesses here, and that's why mueller is probably holding his breath a little bit as he sees these interviews going on. >> our thanks to our leadoff panel tonight. phil rucker, ashley parker, i don't know if i mentioned earlier, both of them were awarded the pulitzer prize earlier today, and we couldn't be prouder to know them. chuck rosenberg, jennifer rodgers, of counsel to us, thank you both. coming up, you don't see it often, but it happened today. out loud and in public, the president walked back something through the white house, something his u.n. ambas...