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Is she trolling the president despite a threat of $20 million that she doesn't appear to be afraid of him. michael cohen? >> clearly, she's not going anywhere. and her lawyer seems like a ubiquitous presence now across all media platforms. so they've obviously dug in and they think they've got ahold of something. i think it's not yet proven about the bullying and not yet proven about -- she's accused the president of being a criminal. those are allegations and those are not yet proven. the affair, i think people assume happened, and it doesn't appear to be having an impact. so they're going to...

Really playing it well and he does well on television and people love watching it, she's tweeting it and she's trolling him. the court of public opinion right now, stormy daniels winning. go ahead, laura. >> well, welcome to the show. that's what in fact is happening here. but whether that's going to persuasive in a court of law is a very different story. but make no mistake, you have not heard from stormy daniels directly today but for today. and why is that? what she did is cast out a very long line that you can call bait. it was the equivalent of her saying, here, kitty, kitty, here, kitty....

The dress in question and so i know that she still has it, but i don't know if there's any dna. i don't know if it's, you know, a monica lewinsky, linda tripp-type situation. >> you mentioned the dress and i just wonder what had the relevance was. and as soon as you said that, with you know, my mind sort of harkened back to that. i didn't know why you were saying it. >> well, i have met men in my past that i were fans of, one in particular, an actor i really enjoyed, and i saved the shirt from when i met him. i never washed it, because i was a bit of a fan girl. so it's very possible that she ...

Deception. does this photo have any impact? >> look, i'm not sure the alleged affair on probable affair, whatever you want to call it, is having any impact on the president. look at the nbc news/"wall street journal" from this weekend. the stormy daniels story had been out there for a couple of weeks and he has ticked up to 46% job approval. the potential legal impacts are worrying if you're a supporter of the president. you know, depositions that could be coming out, more information about when this was happening and what was going on. it will interactions between stormy and cohen. i mean, th...

And jimmy carter doing it, when it was anybody else doing it. but for the lone exception of john mccain, who continues to be the morality, who continues to be the moral compass of this party, even if his sick bed, most republicans have looked the other way and have very soft words about the actions that donald trump took today. it is appalling. >> but also, to scott's point, and i don't know if scott was legitimateizing this, but believing in some sort of deep state, which is a conspiracy theory and not necessarily fact. laura, the president seems to be on a collision course with robert muelle...