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so why should anyone think he's telling the truth now? >> well, they shouldn't. to your point, he's the lead conspirator on the big lie and was cleared that he did everything in his power, simply, to just throw anything against the wall that they hoped would stick. and what's remarkable is how much they threw against the wall and how little stuck, literally nothing stuck after countless court cases, countless audits, we now know after two years, there is zero evidence supporting the notion there was any wide spread votertrarycontr more votes for joe biden. to your point, this is a gu...

Direction. >> sandra: fox news is learning some of the details that would be involved in actually making this happen. that it would take two months for the national guard to arrive at the southern border. talking about this being an immediate action is sort of being ruled out all this takes time, a work in progress. you need the permission of the governors. this would involve a huge effort. what is the likelihood that this is going to happen? >> it is a huge effort and it will take time but at the end of the day the biggest -- this is where donald trump has been right all along about this. the...

California says he is giving the plan some thought. to william la jeunesse live in los angeles. william, the very beginning of this plan. do we know what a deployment of national guard troops would look like? >> what i'm told, leland, you won't see the national guard soldiers on the border with m-16s arresting illegal immigrants. you could see the air national guard. an agent in the field in a chase and needs border patrol air support and miles away no one to check it out. the national guard can do that. you'll see the guard in the motor pool repairing vehicles, monitoring and maintaining vide...

That the federal government will provide that help. it frees up the border patrol to do other duties when the military is doing what they pointed out. surveillance duties that allow customs and border patrol to arrest more people. here is the heart of the issue to me. despite donald trump's tough rhetoric and the huge drop in illegals, still 1,000 a day are coming in illegally. that's the size of a pittsburgh. the size of a cincinnati every year. and so even though it's dropping, there is still way too many people flaunting our laws to come in here. i think donald trump is doing the right thin...

Points or to get at the bottom of what truly happened? he is scoring political points. he have is no closer to the bottom of what happened than before he started this. >> leland: we're closer to understanding what's going on with the mueller investigation and had the news yesterday that president trump is not a target of this investigation, he is a subject of it. brings up the i -- the issue of will president trump sit down with robert mueller. >> depends whose advice he takes. >> leland: the president needs good criminal counsel and having a tough time to find people to take that mantle up. i...