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You know that unless we create, what, 250,000 jobs in a month we're actually lagging behind population growth. >> yeah, but the job growth continues to grow even though it may not be at the numbers that we need to be at and the president admits that, it's a step in the right direction. when he took the presidency we were losing 750,000 jobs a month. as long as we're moving forward, it may not be at the pace we want to be at, it's better than moving backwards. >> myra? >> the president can try to spin these jobs numbers as best he can but the jobs reports really speak for themselves. we've seen...

For mitt romney this fall. >> when you look at unemployment, once again, is at 8.2%. but the u-6 number which is, as you know, unemployment plus the people have simply given up or are underemployed is 15%. that is a gigantic number. and i think when people go to the polls in november, they're going to say should we give this guy another four years or try something new? right now, i don't know if it's working. >> here's where the messaging matters. for 10 years in the rural south, i worked in a tire factory. that tire factory four years ago shut its doors, moved its tire production to china. th...

Decide to hire people, wring them on board and to train them. to take the risk associated with expanding an enterprise. >> okay, now, just for a moment, joan, there's something important missing because i want you to take a listen to something he said just last month. >> of course he's out of touch. he's out of touch in part because he never had the experience in working in the private sector and seeing what it takes to start a small business, how a bz decides to grow, when they decide to send jobs overseas. >> he's no longer saying that the president doesn't know when the ship jobs overseas, ...

Know romney. so you don't want to introduce somebody new that was going to step on that process. >> you know i'm staggered how many people really want it. you look how hard bobby jindal has worked and chris christie has worked. they said they call, i'm in. it's amazing that -- >> i don't know if they even necessarily want the vice presidential job but what i thought was great and you had the chart earlier this morning that i saw in every state where there was a republican governor elected, the jobs numbers have been increased. that, i think, is something that republicans across the board are s...

They have nothing to do with the serious crimes that we can't support everybody. we don't have the resources to chase everybody. >> isn't there an argument as well about how much illegal immigrants are cost in every state in every nation. couldn't you look at that as well? >> that's why the federal government put in initiative and the federal government should go more towards illegal immigration. >> doesn't do anything to prevent. >> goes against the federal, local and state authorities cooperating on this. that's what we need and the constitutionality of it is questionable. we'll see if the s...