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President to make that argument. >> yes, that's a good point. m.j. lee reporting for us. thank you very much. let's bring in our senior justice correspondent evan perez and crime and justice reporting shimon prokupecz. you were there outside of the courthouse in new york today. the special counsel's lawyer said that cohen will continue to cooperate on the russia probe. what more does cohen know about what he called the president's dirty deeds and how damaging could his continued cooperation and testimony be to the president? >> well, it is definitely going to continue to be damaging in terms...

Now as we have been reporting all along, wolf, we know that cohen has been feeling increasingly isolated from the president, a man he has famously said he would take a bullet for. now that cohen is in a lot of potential legal trublt, trump has not had his back in public. he has distanced himself from cohen saying didn't do a ton of legal work for him and they haven't spoke nen a long time so given all of that, what we're told is that cohen continues to feel let down by president trump and that ultimately cohen may have to decide, do i have information about president trump that investigators m...

>> i'm going to give you the last word here. this is -- i want to get this reporting in. this is cnn's m.j. lee reporting that porter's ex-wife says he punched her in the face, gave limb the photo to prove it in january of 2017. that is more than a year ago. so for folks saying well kelly didn't know. is there an excuse for him not knowing? >> no, he either chose not to know or more likely did he know and didn't care. he thought this man was more important to him than the stories about the women. he thut they wouldn't get out or believed. we have the daily mail to thank. you know this he broke...

>> he's the one putting ougt fires. he is starting fires. >> right. he's the chief of staff. staff. right? and remember, when he came in, don, he expressly said i'm not going to be the guy who is going to manage the president. i'm going to manage the staff. he said that publicly. i'm going to make sure we are all working to make it the best possible scenario for the president of the united states. to david's point, how incurious do you have to be if you're the chief of staff to say wait a minute, this is one of the five people who spend the most time with donald trump on a daily basis. this is...

Certainly has raised questions why more wasn't done earlier, why he continued to work here at the white house with that interim security clearance. i should note that the president according to the white house did not find out about this until this week. he is upset that it was handled particularly by his chief of staff. there was the one statement tuesday night and then as you pointed out, there was the follow up statement last night where it seemed as though john kelly was sort of backtracking and acknowledging the domestic abuse and the victims in this case. >> i get another question for yo...