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between the president and the vice president, is that correct? >> yes. >> when i entered the office the second time he was on the telephone with who i later out to found out to be the vice president. >> could you hear the vice president or only hear the president's end? >> only hear the president's end. at some point it started off as a calmer tone and became heated. >> the conversation was pretty heated. >> did you hear any part of the phone call even just the end that the president was speaking from? >> i did, yes. >> all right. what did you hear? >> as i was dropping off the note,...

Eastman pleaded the fifth more than 100 times in his deposition. is that a tell to you? that's for you ben. >> yeah it is a tell that he took the fifth so many times. donald trump, infamously said himself that only the mob takes the fifth amendment. it is a tell. i think john eastman, especially after the fact, realized how much trouble he was in for propounding these theories. >> we just in the last conversation we talked about this, many people in trump's circle told him time and time again that he lost the election yet he still pressured pence to over turn it. how does trump blatant knowled...