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>> one quarter does not make a trend. you call yourself an economist, you know that. >> catherine -- >> second of all -- >> catherine -- >> hold on. >> second -- second of all -- >> she's responding to your point. >> please let me continue. >> go. >> second of all, look, every independent credible outside drafter from the congressional budget office to the imf to the federal reserve to the penn wharton budget model all of them forecast that we will get a temporary sugar high, a temporary fiscal stimulus resulting from the tax cuts and spending increase this year adding about $2 trillion to the...

Second of all obama's last year in office, alisyn, the economy grew by 1.6%, which is a pathetic rate of growth. a lot of economists thought we were headed back to another recession. >> that's not true. that's not true. >> wait a minute. it absolutely is true. a lot of -- >> name an economist. name an economist. >> now, wait a minute. and this is absolutely the most important point. it was catherine's newspaper who editorialized two weeks before the election that if president obama was elected he would crash the economy. he hasn't crashed the economy. according to the latest number you mention...

President obama's coat tails, that's okay, right? he's still the president, we still have a good economy, he's riding president obama's coat tails. why does president trump feel the need to take complete supreme credit for all of this? >> well, alisyn, it's almost like saying, you know, that the kingston trio laid the groundwork for the beatles. look, the economy wasn't nearly as strong as catherine is saying. >> you see the job numbers, you can't argue with those. >> no, no. look, let's look at the growth rate at the economy, alisyn, how well the economy was doing in terms of production of go...

Here are the numbers on the deficit. okay. so there's no flree lunch. $895 billion for the first 11 months of fiscal year -- of this fiscal year 2018, it's $222 billion more than the shortfall recorded just last year. so, steve, you're cool with racking up big deficits now? >> i always believed and i think donald trump believes this, too, that the single most important thing for donald trump to do when he was president is get the economy moving again and get people back into jobs and higher paying jobs. i mean, every poll that was taken for the last six years shows that what people were concer...