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Quietly. and we have allowed putin to deter us with his threatening of nuclear escalation. we need to remember if we accept him deterring us in ukraine with threats of nuclear escalation, what happens when he comes in the balkan states. let's beat putin in ukraine, with ukrainians doing the fighting. >> there is this point and i think everybody is trying to figure out when do you reach it and when do you go too far. we've made putin a pariah on the world stage temporarily. is there a point we make him such a pariah he will never come to the negotiating table? and sort of in a way like post wor...

We need to get ukraine aircraft. the administration secretly reverse their decision, get their migs to ukraine and for the first time ever get ahead of the russians and begin to train ukraine on our f-16s which we are going to be retiring. it's going to be a long war, let's get ukraine those f-16s too. >> you know, ambassador -- go ahead, finish that thought. >> we do all those things and i think the chances of moscow losing in this new offensive go way up. >> it's interesting, you bring up the mig issue and some of these other things and bring in other weapons like this. there's been a concer...

Question right now how this ends. ideally, putin decides to cease-fire, stop his aggression, and there's some sort of diplomatic intervention but right now that doesn't look like it's on the horizon. >> so, courtney, it does seem as if the strategy now is they want to see how much of the east they can control before they start sending down. >> that's right. the russian military has decided that they had three big mistakes in the early phase of this campaign. one was just they spread themselves too thin. they had these three major lines of axes, the one in the north towards kyiv, the one in the...

In irpin to be nothing. having said that, the most important thing is to beat him on the battlefield. we should talk less and do more. putin is definitely a war criminal. i'm not certain we need to say that every day. we simply need to provide ukrainians the mean to defeat him. >> the other thing i'm curious about and you know the ukrainians much better than so many others, territorial integrity. a lot of people have used that term. this is victory for them. but what is in that definition? because nobody wants to define what territorial integrity is of ukraine right now it seems. >> well, we k...