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We need to get ukraine aircraft. the administration secretly reverse their decision, get their migs to ukraine and for the first time ever get ahead of the russians and begin to train ukraine on our f-16s which we are going to be retiring. it's going to be a long war, let's get ukraine those f-16s too. >> you know, ambassador -- go ahead, finish that thought. >> we do all those things and i think the chances of moscow losing in this new offensive go way up. >> it's interesting, you bring up the mig issue and some of these other things and bring in other weapons like this. there's been a concer...

Pentagon. courtney, thank you. it's a good way to bring in the next guest, retired general reed. there's a lot of would have, could have, should have, before this began. let's start with the mig issue for ukraine. it would have been a lot easier to deal with the fighter yet issue three months ago than obviously it is now. what would be your advice how to make this happen? >> well, i think that the way they're approaching it now, even though it's late and we seem to have stumbled a little bit in this is correct. we need to have a direct country-to-country sort of hanover. but we seem to be agai...

Week ago, it has gotten more complicated. just in the past 24 hours in the fact that this is moving westward, the fact that they are becoming more aggressive along poland's border. where does that leave the united states? >> well, i'm in the very cautious camp. i believe, as we discussed, and as you said, what's the maximum that the west can do to help ukraine isolate and neutralize russia without causing world war iii. i think the calculation of the biden administration is correct. i think the mig issue would have put us in that zone of danger. i feel like they're also showing a little bit mo...

Nato in particular in dealing with russia in general and most recently it was the mig issue. unclear why poland was ready do it directly and then they were like no. we still don't know the full back story there. i notice it hasn't come up so far on this trip. do you expect it to? >> reporter: well, it will be interesting to see if it was a part of the private conversations we don't have a sense of that. certainly the president of poland was speaking today, he was emphasizing unity. they seemed to have moved on to other kinds of weapon systems at the moment. one of the other interesting things ...