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Have very little hope that they will approach the process seriously, that they will do their duty in terms of being an objective fact finder, but as you know, chris, this is not something that i was eager to undertake. for months and months i resisted the call for impeachment and spoke out about it and, you know, frankly, took a lot of flak from some of my supporters for not supporting impeachment because i thought this should be an extraordinary remedy. it not something we should rush to embrace. but i'll tell you what changed for me was when we learned that, you know, having solicited russia...

The stone walling succeeds in delaying it to the point where justice delayed is effectively justice denied. >> but if the decisions come out and say these people don't have to testify, could you still obstruct -- could you still try to impeach on the basis of obstruction on the same witnesses? >> first of all, no court is going to find a witness has standing to sue the congress because they don't like a subpoena. ultimately that court is going to rule that dr. kupperman has no standing. >> so for you it's just about time. >> he's well represented. his lawyer knows what the court is going to ul...

Questions this way, when you're the prosecutor and the judge and the overruling. i want to make a couple things clear. when we equate this to a grand jury or a special investigation, let's being h honest. if there were this many leaks, somebody would be in jail. >> you guys are politicians. you're not in the criminal justice business, not anymore. >> i'm not in the criminal justice business, but if we're going to do this and have this partisan hearing move forward, we're should be honest about what it is. >> kelly -- congressman -- >> you can call mich me kelly, e it. >> nixon -- clinton, more...

These days. the resolution today passed. why do you believe it makes this process fair for the minority? >> well, we followed the process that was available during the nixon impeachment, during the clinton impeachment. so we had a model to use and we thought that's probably the best approach, even though i have to say the circumstances now are very different in both those prior peoples. you had a special prosecutor or an independent counsel doing the fact finding that we've had to do through these depositions. they had a report they were able to present and then cog tongres took the ball from ...

You in strength of this process >> what we're seeing is the administration and some of its allies using tactics to delay. i think the court will ultimately rule with respect to dr. kupperman's lawsuit just as it did with mayharriet myers, t there is no absolute immunity but the tactic is to stall doing their duty. i wish all witnesses would show the patriotism that people like colonel vindman did and not listen to the efforts of the administration to obstruct the investigation. they may prevent some of these witnesses from testifying and prevent the american people from learning the full facts...