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Why is that so offensive and immoral? maybe because it's effective? >> i didn't say sinner. the pope, the leader of the catholic church think it's immoral. >> tucker: is there a wall around the vatican? so the pope. there's a wall around the vatican. if i tried to get in the vatican without the pope's -- >> i never had an issue walking into st. peter's square. it's a line and everybody can go -- >> tucker: i've been there. there's a wall. >> you can't -- >> tucker: i've been there. >> anybody can walk into st. peter's square without an issue. >> tucker: is the square. >> right. that's the hear...

More in a minute. first, the breaking news on the mueller investigation. we go to the person we always go to and good reason. catherine herridge joins us. >> thanks, tucker. let's just break it down together. because there's so much here. all of this came down for folks at home late in the day. we had three filings over a 90-minute period. let's start in new york with the president's former personal attorney, michael cohen. two filings. one from the u.s. attorney in the southern district and the second from the special counsel. the bottom line on sentencing is that they're recommending signifi...

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Immoral? maybe because it's effective? >> i didn't say sinner. the pope, the leader of the catholic church think it's immoral. >> tucker: is there a wall around the vatican? so the pope. there's a wall around the vatican. if i tried to get in the vatican without the pope's -- >> i never had an issue walking into st. peter's square. it's a line and everybody can go -- >> tucker: i've been there. there's a wall. >> you can't -- >> tucker: i've been there. >> anybody can walk into st. peter's square without an issue. >> tucker: is the square. >> right. that's the heart of the vatican. >> tucker: ...

First, the breaking news on the mueller investigation. we go to the person we always go to and good reason. catherine herridge joins us. >> thanks, tucker. let's just break it down together. because there's so much here. all of this came down for folks at home late in the day. we had three filings over a 90-minute period. let's start in new york with the president's former personal attorney, michael cohen. two filings. one from the u.s. attorney in the southern district and the second from the special counsel. the bottom line on sentencing is that they're recommending significant jail time, an...