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Why is that so offensive and immoral? maybe because it's effective? >> i didn't say sinner. the pope, the leader of the catholic church think it's immoral. >> tucker: is there a wall around the vatican? so the pope. there's a wall around the vatican. if i tried to get in the vatican without the pope's -- >> i never had an issue walking into st. peter's square. it's a line and everybody can go -- >> tucker: i've been there. there's a wall. >> you can't -- >> tucker: i've been there. >> anybody can walk into st. peter's square without an issue. >> tucker: is the square. >> right. that's the hear...

Immoral? maybe because it's effective? >> i didn't say sinner. the pope, the leader of the catholic church think it's immoral. >> tucker: is there a wall around the vatican? so the pope. there's a wall around the vatican. if i tried to get in the vatican without the pope's -- >> i never had an issue walking into st. peter's square. it's a line and everybody can go -- >> tucker: i've been there. there's a wall. >> you can't -- >> tucker: i've been there. >> anybody can walk into st. peter's square without an issue. >> tucker: is the square. >> right. that's the heart of the vatican. >> tucker: ...