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Nowhere, and then you're describing a way that the incumbent -- hold on. you will get your turn. i just let you go for a while. let's go back and forth. you will lose the incumbent losing party's power, that was the republican party's power to overtake and reverse that outcome. do you realize you are describing a coup? >> no, i totally reject many of your premises there. first of all, the election was still in doubt and would be until it was certified. second, the idea that secretaries of state, particularly in michigan and pennsylvania were like innocent parties, i mean, jocelyn benson and ka...

You will get your turn, sir. let's go back and forth, sir. then you will use the incumbent losing party's power, that was the republican party that was losing power, to overtake and reverse that outcome. do you realize you are describing a coup? >> no. i totally reject many of your premises there. >> barb, his words combined with every other fact revealed in the past year, does this meet the definition of a criminal conspiracy? >> well, i think it sure meets the smell test of a criminal conspiracy, but the part that is essential here and perhaps the reason that peter navarro refused to go ther...

Would decertify the election. that would throw the election to the house of representatives. >> you just described this plan as a way to take an election where the outcome was established by independent secretaries of state, by the voters of those states, and legal remedies have been exhausted with the supreme court, let alone siding with any of the claims you just referred to. so legally they went nowhere. and then you're describing -- >> i object to that. >> i let you go for a while, let's go back and forth, sir. then you will use the incumbent losing party's power, that was the republican p...

That all of of this, again, was in the lanes legally. it was prescribed by the constitution. there is a provision to go rather than through the electoral college to the house of representatives. all that's required was peace and calm on capitol hill. at 1:00 p.m., ted cruz, senator ted cruz and gosar, the representative, started the green bay sweep beautifully, challenging the results of arizona. >> you just described this plan as a way to take an election where the outcome was established by independent secretaries of state, by the voters of those states, and legal remedies have been exhauste...

He has always wanted to try and get inside his opponent's decision cycle. and the minute he saw, over the last few days, some little green shuts of, at least a bit of communication in turkey -- and we want to give credit to the turks for moving the negotiation along. the minute putin saw a little tiny bit of is let's go back and forth, he's going to throw cold water on it. he knows his plan a a has failed. he's not going to be able to sweep across the nation of ukraine and decapitate zelenskyy. he's thinking ahead a couple of moves to plan b, which i suspect is going to be to truly consolidate...