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Is howard dean's idea. the front page of the "new york times" has a story about ibm having a female ceo. that's not really the story. the story is, howard, what an extraordinary job -- we all talk about steve jobs. but what has happened at ibm over the past 20 years -- >> it's incredible. >> the recreation. you talk about an american success story, it's stunning what they've done. >> unbelievable. and if you look at their stock price over the last 20 years, it is extraordinary what they've done quietly and steadily. they've turned themselves from a manufacturing company to a service company. a...

Herman cain surging ahead nationally and in swing states, but also, let's talk about president obama. >> yeah. >> his numbers are coming up. >> yep. >> and a new poll came out in ohio that has to give the white house a reason to be heartened. so this is what's happening, first of all, let's go nationally, guys. let's talk about the -- well, we'll -- when i say nationally, i mean, let's go ohio. and then we'll go national. herman cain's at 28%, mitt romney, 23%, and ron paul, newt gingrich, rick perry, michele bauchmann. and what's so fascinating, we'll see this in the national poll, as well. t...