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Candidate. but to use harvard stationary to write a letter to have a company avoid having to clean up a toxic waste site, obviously probably not going to put that on your next 30-second commercial or brag about it in the next democratic debate on the 19th. >> do you think this hurts her? >> well, let's go -- let's go to clair and let me -- >> yes. yes, it hurts her. >> no, but, clair, though, here's the deal. i mean, here's the thing. she's just -- i'm going to say the same thing about clair mccaskill that i said about joe biden and hunter yesterday. she's got to get real. she's got to stop be...

Media? or will she respond and say, hey, you know what? that was -- that's how i used to believe. i know how the other side thinks, that makes me more able to actually defeat them in general elections and that's what ai'm going to do. something like that, she can figure it out. but clair is right, she's going to have to admit she's not proud of everything that she did in her past life. and if she admits that, that will put her in a league with about 8 billion other people and maybe even humanize her. >> she probably needs to also admit that she's rich. in one of the debates she actually said r...

Moral equivalency between donald trump and elizabeth warren. >> yeah. >> she does have some issues. how does she clean those issues up? >> yeah. i mean, i get the point steve's making. i don't know that it is an effort to be anyway dishonest on elizabeth trump -- on elizabeth warren's part. i think -- >> it's your word. >> it really is that i think she has a brand and it's a belief she has, i think it's sincere about the system being rilgd. i rigged. i think it comes from her years of work in the area of bankruptcy and how the middle class in this country has gotten left behind in terms of how...

Begins, but she's going to have to own that she's made some mistakes. and she's going to have to come clean with the voters that she hasn't handled all this exactly right. >> i don't disagree. she's got to do interviews where she gets asked about this stuff so she can process handling it. >> and she's refuse doing one on one interviews. >> not where it will get tough. >> this is where she needs a moment of a national interview where she shows that she's not perfect. >> yeah. yeah. >> and let's, mika, let's not overlook the fact she's run a great campaign. >> absolutely. >> she had problems at ...

Untoward businesses, is it a little lame to say that a 25-year-old in his first job out of college is this big corporate bigwig? >> well, if we disqualified all charges that are lame from presidential politics, the discourse would have to go away. it's not a strong hit and it's clear, as clair says, that it invited a counterpunch that's going to hurt elizabeth warren i think probably more than the one -- although we don't know what's in the mckenzie record. all's fair in love and war. it's an up for grabs race. we have four candidates that could win iowa, maybe five. you're going to see the ra...