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Conservative deals. >> jonas, usually, mergers are a good sign that the economy is booming and the market is doing well and that's the case now? >> yeah, as opposed to the high-tech companies that buffet bias. all right. you know what? it's a sign that the government-- they made cash so undesirable. and so many out there. the companies are swimming in cash and earnings at all-time highs and have to do something so they're panicking to put it into work, and don't want to pay out like aggressive like apple does. and they have the ideas how to use the money and don't want to hire people and so th...

This, give it back in dividends which a lot of people consider lazy and uncreative to try to go out and buy company. the rich are getting richer and the big companies, the only place they can use the huge acquisitions to put the huge pile of cash to good use. >> brenda: gary b, we talk about the markets be in record highs or all-time highs and we were basically where we were six years ago. >> exactly, brenda. in fact the nasdaq is way below its all-time highs, so there's plenty of room to grow and getting back to, you know, larry and jonas made excellent points. normally merger activity is a h...

Any of the studies on either side. think what we'll see in reality is companies will outsource wherever they can, and visit your local retailer, visit your local grocery store, you'll see more and more automated checkouts and that's what companies do for self-pre sel self-preservation. we'll pay more to the store. there's no free lunch. it sounds great on paper, sounds great in academic theory, in reality. the policies just do not and have not worked in the past. we're not talking about the past now, gary b. we're talking about really the future. we have a very tepid recovery. is this the time...