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Perhaps even sitting in this chair listening to all this, wondering how we should think about all these talks about pardons. all these mentions of pardons. it seems to be in the background of so many of the tableaus. talk about that and how it might blow back on rudy giuliani. >> yeah. so let's level set for a moment here and set aside criminal allegations of obstruction, witness tampering that are related to dangling pardons. let's talk about ethics and integrity just for a second. this whole notion of the president's criminal defense attorneys, not white house counsel, not ethics and policy ...

Say if i'm an investigator i'm really going to do a lot of investigating to see what more is there. and i think that's what we're hearing from the news stories. >> hey, frank, i'm sitting home listening to all this, or perhaps even sitting in this chair listening to all this, wondering how we should think about all these talks about pardons. all these mentions of pardons. it seems to be in the background of so many of the tableaus. talk about that and how it might blow back on rudy giuliani. >> yeah. so let's level set for a moment here and set aside criminal allegations of obstruction, witnes...

Donald trump. the man who they helped with another mistress kind of suit and who's the third? we don't want to tell you. you can't have any relief. who's the third? sean hannity and there were gasps in the courtroom. i don't think it matters very much in the law. hannity said he had very little interaction with cohen. nevertheless, they formed an attorney-client relationship. it seems doubtful that much was gathered by the prosecutors will have anything to do with him. >> kimberly atkins, you're an attorney. you're a journalist. let's talk about ethics. sean hannity, going to the mat, dependin...

With us. first of all, let's talk about the president because he's been reported to be fuming over the fbi raid of michael cohen's hotel room, he hresidence, home office. how angry is the president over this? >> i haven't spoken directly to the president but we have seen he's very concerned that we have an fbi which has taken extraordinary steps by serving a warrant on the president's personal attorney to be looking at what many believe the attorney-client impressiprivile. the question is, is the information they have taken from his home, office and hotel room something that needs to be review...