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>> juan: let me respond to greg on this. i say you say rush, rush, rush. remember john bolton, not only john bolton, but mack mull va nooe, all the guys have firsthand knowledge but trump said don't testify, send it to the courts. so maybe nancy pelosi should hold on and say -- >> greg: the case is too strong, you don't need witnesses. that's what i heard. >> juan: that's why we have an obstruction article of impeachment. >> greg: it's not obstruction. >> juan: nancy is going to go to court? you're erasing your articles as we speak. let's talk about -- is this pr? because she obviously wants h...

We're going to name several senators that will have a difficult time not defend gts president should she go in that direction. the independent voters is the number i look at. in the last poll when it was conducted in late october, 38% of independents supported impeachment. now that number has gone up to 45%. democrats are going win this election at the white house, the ballot box, and down to the senate races by getting independent voters, a majority of them, in our corner and also getting those suburban swing voters. when you look at the numbers holistically, i'm more concerned less with wher...

In 2016 probably the most qualified person to run for president. and white people chose that white guy over the female candidate. so there's a lot of fear and at the present -- trepidation. the conclusion is we need our own white guy. it's not correct. almost half of the voters from the democratic side, half of the voters elected obama are people of color. in point of fact, the only person to have won the white house in the last 20 years, has been a person of color. >> let's talk about, and i know you have written about this. democrats investing in and supporting candidates who can be the next...

If you read the mueller report is lays out in fact in copious detail the fact that he repeatedly intentionally obstructed justice in a way that merits impeachment whether they choose to include that i think their question should be what is important to include in this, what is the right thing to do and do that. in my mind that includes the mueller report, it's been investigated, take take the facts from it and lay it down. the american people are going to see we have the most corruptel in american history actively working against the laws and constitution and the people of the united states an...

Much for that situation. but i do think it's all an open question about exactly what's going to be included in the articles. >> let's talk about who is still convinceble now. who's persuadable still when it comes to impeachment. the standard thinking is that all these hearings have only served to harden everybody into the positions they already held. 538 makes the argument that that's not the case. how certain are you president trump committed an impeachable offense. 41% say they're absolutely certain. 34% say their pretty certain. somewhat certain, 18%. not certain, 6%. when you flip it and y...