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Time. we have no exact parallel for this probe, but robert mueller has successfully kept the details of his investigation out of the public eye until he wants to reveal them. and a side effect of that is that we don't really know at what stage he's at in this whole probe. lawyers for the president have suggested it would be wrapped up by thanksgiving or by christmas of last year. that clearly hasn't happened. eboni: sure. let's talk optics, we saw a hasty press conference featuring rod rosenstein speaking on above of the doj. separate from bob mueller and his investigation. and do you think he...

In the middle "new york times" columnist jackie cal lins. let's talk optics at the moment. was it a big mistake for the white house? the bergdahls happened to be in town when they got the news. then they do this rose garden thing. it seems to have backfired. the president says it's important to know parents that have been missing their child for five years. >> the purpose of the rose garden, the optics, has nothing to do. it's part of the part son power play in washington, d.c. the truth, just a few weeks before, i'm on twitter all the sometime, you have members of the senate saying get him ho...

Joining me around the table, on the wing cnn political commentator donna brazile and ana navarro. in the middle "new york times" columnist jackie calmes. let's talk optics at the moment. was it a big mistake for the white house? the bergdahls happened to be in town when they got the news. then they do this rose garden thing. it seems to have backfired. the president says it's important to know parents that have been missing their child for five years. which is it? >> the criticism of the rose garden, the optics has something to do with the facts. it's just attacks, attacks, attacks. the power ...

Is the general in the navy who said when a sailor falls off a ship, it doesn't matter if they jumped or pushed, fell, you turn the ship around and get them. that's the principle that the administration went with. >> al, al, al, this is what people are perceiving this right now. let's talk optics. it's not like s.e.a.l. team 6 had an incredible mission and brought home a hero. okay? they're bringing home an american citizen which is great. but i'm talking about optics. we have them exchanged for five prisoners and letters being exchanged between bowe bergdahl and his family and his father engag...