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That's what i hope they will talk about, whether it happens, you know, i'm just in a position to talk to you about it. >> i asked what do you believe, so that's what you think should happen. listen, i don't think anyone disagrees with you. the austrian chancellor who met with putin says putin believes russia is winning this war. how dangerous could this be? >> he has been losing. he's been losing as the colonel just indicated before, he's been losing combat -- face-to-face combat with ukrainians. he's leveling cities, killing innocent people by the thousands in order to break their will. so it...

Direction. >> as for russian forces, they continue leveling cities and killing civilians. something that vladimir putin's top spokesman has denied, and cnn's christiane omunpour has pressed him on. >> russian military are not hitting civil aims, civil targets. >> look, i know you guys say that you're not targeting civilians and you have just told me it was a special military operation which is what i know the kremlin military censorship demands. it is a war and it is an invasion and we're all watching it all over global television. no matter what you tell your own people. there are so many civ...

These attacks on civilians, he's leveling cities. possible use of nuclear weapons. we have to be a little more willing to say, we will support ukraine. we will push back if you do something like that, don't do it. >> final question. whether you come down on nato membership for ukraine. whether it should have been taken off the table or treated seriously and expedited. didn't nato and up scoring ukraine anyway by, essentially, allowing them a path towards nato that, clearly, spooked and freaked out putin. but never really getting them under the nuclear umbrella, leaving them in the worst of bot...

Because i'd be concerned about what these guys bring to the fight. >> i just want to ask you about former secretary of state madeleine albright. she died today, it was announced. you served together in the clinton administration. how do you think he should be remembered? >> well, i knew secretary albright for almost 50 years. we were very, very close friends. i knew her as a woman of great passion, intelligence, commitment to democracy. she and i helped to edit a study that was done under the institute of peace and the national holocaust museum here in washington, preventing genocide. and goin...

One i would say is that russia's approach to combating islamic terrorism is basically mass murder, look at what they did in chechnya and the '90s, early 2,000, murdering tens of thousands of people, leveling cities, not a successful strategy. it just inspires hatred. the second thing is i do not think russia actually wants america to succeed. they have been accused of aiding and abetting the rise of isis, specifically funneling chechnya terrace into syria. they withheld information, if you will call before the lead up to the boston bombing because one of the brothers, maybe even two of them, t...